Gavin Newsom agrees with Ben Shapiro on trans issue being a ‘barrier’ for Democrats

During their podcast chat, Gavin Newsom acknowledged Ben Shapiro's point of view and called him a 'facts over empathy guy'
PUBLISHED JAN 17, 2026
During their podcast chat, Gavin Newsom and Ben Shapiro discussed how transgender rights debates influenced the 2024 election and the broader political landscape (Screengrab/This is Gavin Newsom/YouTube)
During their podcast chat, Gavin Newsom and Ben Shapiro discussed how transgender rights debates influenced the 2024 election and the broader political landscape (Screengrab/This is Gavin Newsom/YouTube)

SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA: California Governor Gavin Newsom surprisingly agreed with Daily Wire founder Ben Shapiro on Thursday, January 15, that the question of whether boys can become girls is a huge deal-breaker for Democrats.

They talked about it on the ‘This is Gavin Newsom’ podcast.

Newsom and Shapiro tangled over school policies. The conservative commentator pushed back against teachers keeping parents in the dark when children are socially transitioning at school.



Gavin Newsom’s comments on transgender issues 

During a discussion on his podcast, the Democratic governor responded to remarks from Ben Shapiro about how transgender rights debates have influenced the 2024 election and the broader political landscape.

Shapiro argued that many voters are turned off by what he calls the inability or unwillingness of Democrats to articulate a clear policy on gender identity.

"I think one of the major failings of the Democratic Party in the last election cycle is the unwillingness to say whether it was true or untrue that a boy could become a girl," he said.

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA - AUGUST 14: California Governor Gavin Newsom speaks about the “Election Rigging Response Act” at a press conference at the Democracy Center, Japanese American National Museum on August 14, 2025 in Los Angeles, California. Newsom spoke about a possible California referendum on redistricting to counter the legislative effort to add five Republican House seats in the state of Texas. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)
California Governor Gavin Newsom speaks about the 'Election Rigging Response Act' at a press conference at the Democracy Center, Japanese American National Museum on August 14, 2025, in Los Angeles, California (Mario Tama/Getty Images)

To this, Newsom responded, "We’re talking about so few people that are struggling with gender identity issues.”

"I'm with the governor, Gov Spencer Cox, who said about many of these issues, never has so much attention been placed on so few people," he added.

While he did not endorse Shapiro’s framing outright, the governor acknowledged the point in the context of broader electoral challenges facing Democrats.

Gavin Newsom says he understands Ben Shapiro’s thinking

"The problem is I do think that, on an electoral level, to go to the politics, it is a barrier to entry for a lot of people when you say a boy can become a girl," Shapiro said about trans individuals.

Ben Shapiro walks the red carpet at the Turning Point USA Inaugural-Eve Ball at the Salamander Hotel on January 19, 2025, in Washington, DC (Samuel Corum/Getty Images)
Ben Shapiro walks the red carpet at the Turning Point USA Inaugural-Eve Ball at the Salamander Hotel in Washington, DC (Samuel Corum/Getty Images)

Newsom agreed that this cultural debate has created a political barrier for some voters, saying that if certain issues related to transgender identity make people less likely to support the Democratic Party, “so be it.”

"I respect if that's your barrier to then listening to people on a myriad of other issues," Newsom said. "So be it. It is what it is."

CHICAGO, IL - FEBRUARY 25:  Demonstrators protest for transgender rights on February 25, 2017 in Chi
Demonstrators protest for transgender rights on February 25, 2017, in Chicago (Getty Images)

"I find it strange that even if you wish to have a public policy that pursues something different, we cannot just admit that boys and girls are two different things and that a boy cannot become a girl," Shapiro said. "Why is this so difficult?"

"Yeah, I understand your point of view," Newsom replied, later saying that Shapiro is a "facts over empathy guy."

California Governor Gavin Newsom looks on before speaking at East Los Angeles College on February 26, 2025 in Monterey Park, California. Newsom announced the California Jobs First Economic Blueprint along with additional funding for Los Angeles communities impacted by wildfires today. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)
California Governor Gavin Newsom looks on before speaking at East Los Angeles College on February 26, 2025, in Monterey Park, California (Mario Tama/Getty Images)

Newsom has been a long-time supporter of LGBTQ+ rights. But he has also had a nuanced stance lately.

Speaking with The New York Times’ Ezra Klein, Newsom said, "I want to see trans kids. I have a trans godson. There’s no governor who has signed more pro-trans legislation than I have. No one has been a stronger advocate for the LGBTQ community."

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