GOP Eric Schmitt clashes with ABC host over Trump’s pardon of Hernández: 'Your ratings are so bad'

Eric Schmitt dodged Stephanopoulos on Trump’s pardon as he defended the president's record on cartels and refused to address the controversial pardon
PUBLISHED DEC 7, 2025
ABC’s George Stephanopoulos challenged Eric Schmitt’s evasions on the Donald Trump question, prompting the senator to accuse him of favoring Democrats and having low ratings (NBC news)
ABC’s George Stephanopoulos challenged Eric Schmitt’s evasions on the Donald Trump question, prompting the senator to accuse him of favoring Democrats and having low ratings (NBC news)


WASHINGTON, DC: Senator Eric Schmitt erupted on national television on Sunday, December 7, when repeatedly pressed about President Donald Trump's pardon of ex-Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández, a leader convicted of orchestrating massive psychoactive-substance operations.

During an interview on 'This Week', ABC's George Stephanopoulos attempted multiple times to get a direct answer.

Instead, Schmitt deflected and complained that the show favored Democrats. The tense exchange comes as Trump remains under scrutiny for pardoning a foreign leader reportedly found guilty of facilitating large-scale psychoactive supplement shipments into the US, creating growing discomfort among Republicans trying to defend the move. 

President Donald Trump speaks to members of the media following a meeting with Emir of Qatar Sheikh Tamim ibn Hamad Al Thani and Prime Minister of Qatar Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani aboard Air Force One during a refueling stop at Al-Udeid Air Base on October 25, 2025 in Abu Nakhlah, Qatar.  (Photo by Andrew Harnik/Getty Images)
President Donald Trump speaks to members of the media following a meeting with Emir of Qatar Sheikh Tamim ibn Hamad Al Thani and Prime Minister of Qatar Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani aboard Air Force One during a refueling stop at Al-Udeid Air Base on October 25, 2025, in Abu Nakhlah, Qatar (Andrew Harnik/Getty Images)

Eric Schmitt clashes with George Stephanopoulos over pardon question 

The confrontation began when Stephanopoulos asked Schmitt whether he supported Trump's decision to pardon Hernàndez.

Schmitt immediately evaded the question, saying "I'm not familiar with facts and circumstances," he said before launching into a defence of Trump's tough-on-cartels record. 

When Stephanopoulos pushed again, the senator snapped. "With your previous guest (Democrat Adam Smith), you had zero pushback because he's giving the Democrat talking points like you spew every week, which is probably why your ratings are so bad," Schmitt stated. 

George Stephanopoulos questions JD Vance on bribery allegations (ABC News/YouTube)
George Stephanopoulos questions JD Vance on bribery allegations (ABC News/YouTube)

Schmitt then accused Democrats of trying to portray Trump as weak, calling the idea "totally ridiculous" and then delivered a monologue praising Trump for "border security like we've never seen before."

He also celebrated Trump-era operations against psychoactive substances impacting "100,000 Americans every year," ignoring that Hernàndez himself oversaw the flows of the same into the US.  

Donald Trump defended his decision to pardon former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez while speaking with reporters aboard Air Force One (Pete Marovich, Andy Buchanan - Pool/Getty Images)
Donald Trump defended his decision to pardon former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez while speaking with reporters aboard Air Force One (Getty Images)

Stephanopoulos remained unmoved. "What do you mean you're not familiar with the facts and circumstances of the pardon? it's been reported all across the country," he pressed.

Still Schmitt dodged again, pivoting to complaints about ABC's treatment of Democrat Adam Smith minutes earlier. 

Trump-Stephanopoulos feud looms over the exchange

The on-air clash unfolded against the backdrop of Trump's feud with Stephanopoulos, after the anchor cut short an interview with Vice President JD Vance.

Trump later mocked the host as "George Sloppodopoulos" and refused to take questions from ABC reporters. 

DELAWARE, OH - APRIL 23: J.D. Vance, a Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Ohio, arrives onstage
JD Vance arrives onstage during a rally hosted by Donald Trump at the Delaware County Fairgrounds on April 23, 2022, in Delaware, Ohio (Drew Angerer/Getty Images)

Also, tensions were already high following Trump's defamation lawsuit against Stephanopoulos and ABC News. 

The dispute stemmed from an on-air characterization of the verdict in writer E Jean Caroll's case, a description Trump argued was inaccurate. ABC ultimately resolved the lawsuit with a $15 million settlement. 

NEW YORK, NEW YORK - NOVEMBER 10: E. Jean Carroll speaks onstage during the How to Write Your Own Li
E Jean Carroll speaks onstage during the How to Write Your Own Life panel at the 2019 Glamour Women Of The Year Summit at Alice Tully Hall on November 10, 2019, in New York City (Ilya S Savenok/Getty Images for Glamour)

As Stephanopoulos asked Schmitt a third time, "Do you support the pardon of the convicted psychoactive t******ker or not?"

Schmitt again sidestepped, saying, "This attempt to try and focus on a pardon is classic because you have lost the debate now." 

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